The Grand Punk Part 10

“Sometimes when things seem too unbelievable to

be true, they are just that: not worthy of belief.”

The Grand Punk Part 10: Joining a Weird Trip,

New Evidence, and Life in the Rabbit Hole

by Twilighter

In Part 6 of the Grand Punk, we reviewed the provable evidence in the Kristen Stewart “cheating “scandal”.  In Part 7, 8, and 9, we stacked that available evidence against eleven different scenarios that purport to explain what happened in it.  That review led to the conclusion that Scenario 6 The Grand Punk best fits the evidence,  that Scenario 11 The Former Romance explained some of but not all of the evidence, and that the rest could be comfortably rejected as not being supported by the evidence.  See those details in previous editions of The Grand Punk.

As I stated in closing Part 9, the truth is in the details. And at times the only way to get to the details is to join a weird trip.  Which is exactly what I did.  A fortuity in some consulting work I was involved in took me to San Diego with a follow up meeting in Los Angeles two days later.  Thus leaving a 24 hour gap and a grand opportunity to travel first hand down the rabbit hole in La La Land, the home of the tabloids, the celluloid fantasyland.  And more importantly, a chance to observe some of the places I had been writing about and thinking about first hand, including touring the proverbial “scenes of the crime”.

Its taken some time to fully digest everything that I learned there.  In this short visit, I was able to establish the locations of some more of the PopSugar photographs and the likely location of many more, reach some important conclusions about many of those photographs, and discover irrefutable evidence that many of the infamous Car Make Out and Guardrail Make Out photographs have been digitally manipulated.  All of which has significant impacts on the eleven scenarios and has led me to more strongly believe that this “cheating scandal” was faked.

In Part 10, and 11 to follow, I will report on the findings of that trip, discuss some newly discovered evidence, confirm and expand upon some previous observations I have made in this case, and explore the implications of all of it on the previously described eleven scenarios. In the process I will also identify and discuss some additional PR scenarios that have gained popularity of late and why they are off track. My apologies again for the length, but sometimes it takes longer to correct a lie with the truth.

[Note: Click on any diagram or photograph to enlarge it.]

“The New Evidence”


Let’s start our examination of some of the new evidence at one of the “scenes of the crime”, the location where Kristen is pictured behind the wheel in her Mini Cooper with Rupert Sanders in PopSugar #26/37.  We had previously established that the location is 2272 S. Centinela Ave. in LA (technically located in Santa Monica).  Which is right around the corner from MJZ Productions at 2201 S. Carmelina Avenue where Rupert Sanders is listed as a director. See the photo and an aerial Goggle Earth image of the area below.

PopSugar #26

Google Earth aerial view of area at 2272 S. Centinela Avenue

They say a picture is worth a thousand words.  But actually being at a place, walking through it, and looking at it, that’s worth volumes and puts a mere picture to shame. As a result of the above described fortuity, I found myself being able to see that parking lot with my own eyes, to walk through it, and to examine the areas around it. And this is what I found:

First,  there is absolutely no question that this is the site of where this particular photograph was taken. The physical location is in fact a complete match, something I have argued for weeks based on a Google Earth image comparison with PopSugar #26/37.  Now see that comparison with the image I took at the lot below. Once again, a complete match. This is the place.

2272 S. Centinela Avenue from across the street

Second, there is also no question that the photographer of PopSugar #26 was at ground level and obviously within the parking lot at the time he or she took it, and that the camera was about 55 inches from the ground when it was taken. Why is this true?

  • The parking lot is remarkably small when you are actually there.  It is less than 100 feet long from the entry to the building and no more than 50 feet wide (roughly the length of four Mini Coopers end to end). It is a very small space.
  • The white wall surrounding much of it is tall, well in excess of seven feet, making it impossible for an over the top of the wall shot to be taken because of the angle of view that would be involved.  Similarly, a shot from the street through the opening where the sliding gate is located (the above view) is also not possible, again because of the angle of view.  Also note in the blowups below the two distances marked A and B.

    Establishing an inside the lot shot: Comparing two distances

  • The distance of (a) is significantly longer than (b) in the picture to the left that I took from through the opening from across the street. Note also the lamp near the red letter (a).  In PopSugar #26 on the right, the lamp and a much greater portion of A is obscured (B is now much longer than A) because this PopSugar photo was taken from a point significantly more to the right of the opening and thus within the lot, since the street- side wall to the right of the opening would have made it impossible to see into the lot.
  • The photograph of PopSugar 26/37 lines up perfectly for a shot within the parking lot and to the right of the wall. The height of a Mini Cooper S is 55 inches.  Since we can see across the roof of the car in the PopSugar photograph, this is the approximate height of the camera.  If it were lower, we wouldn’t see the top of the roof.  If it were significantly higher we would see the entire roof including the far side as it curves downward and we would see a lot lower into the inside right of the car, which we don’t.  See PopSugar #37 below for a more detailed look at what I am describing.

    PopSugar #37

  • Note also the reflection in Kristen’s door of the plain white wall (the left side wall of the parking lot), the lack of any vehicles in it, and the reflection of the double lined parking space markings within it, which corresponds to the parking spaces that appear on both sides of the parking lot.
  • Also note the reflection of two telephone poles and a white sign in the side view mirror in this blowup of the above image.  Note that because this is a reflection, the image is flipped left to right.  What you are seeing are the two white walls towards the opening and the two telephone poles and the large white sign for LA Fine Art & Wine Storage, the business next door.  Because of the curvature of the side view mirror, the chrome on the side view mirror acts as a wide angle lens giving us a wide sweeping view of the area.  Below I have blown up this area circling the poles and sign.  Next to it is the image flipped right to left to account for the mirror effect.  What’s on the mirror in that photo shows what the area looked like from the point of view of the mirror.

Right side mirror reflection

Shown below is the photo that I took October 3rd, from across S. Centinela Avenue and this image below further confirms that this lot is the place of that photo.

Sign and telephone poles as seen from across S. Centinela Avenue

Fourth, and finally given the location of the car and Kristen within it, the angle of the shot, the constricted space within the lot, and the rough location of the camera, it irrefutable that Kristen had to have seen the photographer when he took it unless she was driving with her eyes closed at the time.

But What of the Other Car Make Out Photos?

But what about the other Car Make Out photos, were they taken here in the same parking lot as many have tried to argue on this blog, or were they taken elsewhere?  Let’s start with the elsewhere first.  To date, no has been able to identify any other location in Los Angeles as the place where the Car Make Out photos were taken.  While in Los Angeles, and particularly in Santa Monica, I was able to examine a number of other warehouse and parking lot areas and was also unable to locate an alternative site for these photographs.

I was also able to eliminate several other areas in the immediate vicinity of 2272 S. Centinela Avenue as potential sites for the rest of the Car Make Out photographs.   I was able to do that because I was able to drive through these areas that we couldn’t see in a Google Earth street view before.   See the Goggle Earth aerial image below for those areas which I have circled.

Eliminating other areas where pictures might have been taken

While at the site I drove through these areas.  See the Google Earth image below where I have identified by number where I took photos and the corresponding photographs that follow.  None of these areas match up for what I was looking for, and as a result, I was able to exclude these areas as potential locations for any of these other photographs.

Eliminating scenes for the Car Make Out photos

My corresponding photos of those places appear below.

The Nine Photos

Now back to the parking lot.  I have been stymied for weeks trying to identify this lot as the location of the rest of these photos because I was looking to match up the following features within those photographs to this site.  See the image below for what I was looking for.  The image happens to be PopSugar #49, but if you look at all of the Car Make Out photos, they all bear the same features, with the exception of the Vertical Wall Seam which only appears in the wider view PopSugar #49 image below.

Matching a Photo to a Scene: The Identifying Elements

Interestingly most of these features are present in some form at the parking lot of 2272 S. Centinela Avenue. The easy ones are the White Wall, the Vertical Seam in the wall, and the  double edged Parking Space Lines.  See them in the photos I took at the scene below.

My photo of the left inside wall of the parking lot

The harder ones are the three Faint Black Lines cutting across the PopSugar photographs and the Two Telephone Poles & the Large White Sign but even those are present.  See the photos I took below, the first being three parallel telephone lines connected to the above mentioned telephone poles, and the second showing both poles and the adjacent large white sign.

My photos of  the 2272 S. Centinela Avenue entry showing the wires and one telephone pole and to the right of that entry showing both poles and the LA Fine Art & Wine Storage sign

The most difficult image to match, however, was the right side mirror image, but even elements of that one are present.

Matching the right side view mirror image to the scene

See the photo below that I took.

My photo from October 3rd of the adjacent parking lot which is adjacent to 2272 S. Centinela Avenue.

This photo is from the lot immediately next to 2272 S. Centinela Avenue, a lot belonging to LA Fine Arts & Wine Storage.  The marked white space, brick, and red banding are visible from the adjacent parking lot. The brick, however, looks redder here than what we see in the side view mirror and is actually more akin to what we see from within the parking lot on the lower half of the building.

My photo from inside the 2272 S. Centinela Ave. parking lot

Here’s the view from the 2272 S. Centinela Avenue, but note, the elements still aren’t lined up properly in relationship to each other in any of these views.

And more broadly, the problem is that you cannot match up all of these Identifying Elements exactly with how they would appear at this scene.  They are scrambled in a way that is not actually representative of reality. For example:

  • If her car was parallel to the left side wall of the parking lot near the Vertical Seam (hence the PopSugar #49), the Car Door Reflection should be the right side wall of the parking lot, an all white wall.  It’s not, note the reflection in the car door in PopSugar #49 above.
  • If her car was parked across the lot parallel to the telephone lines, that could explain the reflection of the three Faint Black Lines running parallel lines across the images, but the background of the photo would then be the building at the end of the lot, not the white wall as it is. (Note any of the Car Make Out Photos).
  • If the side view mirror is reflecting something from this scene, where is it?  Nothing matches these elements in their proper relationships to each other.
  • And if you align the car so that it is parallel to the parking space lines, potentially matching the spaces appearing in the car door reflection, the background once again doesn’t match the scene shown in the photos.

Hence our conundrum:  this looks like the probable place of the pictures, but something is out of kilter with the photographs.  But the answer is really quite simple.  Either 1). these pictures were not taken here and all these elements being present is merely a coincidence or 2). the images cannot be matched up because they have been DIGITALLY MANIPULATED so they no longer match up to the real scene completely.

I am reasonably certain that it is the later that is the case here.  While everyone was so hung up and busy staring at the subjects of the pictures (Kristen & Rupert) and what they were or weren’t doing, we were missing what was obviously going on right before our very eyes in the foreground and the background elements, hiding in plain sight.  These images have been digitally manipulated and it is really quite obvious.

Viewed in this light, the conundrum is solved and we can safety say that the rest of the Car Make Out Photos were in all probability taken here, but all of them show some evidence of digital manipulation, the right side view mirror image being the most common one.  It’s hard to tell where the real images end and where the manipulation starts, but that conclusion is inescapable. The question then becomes, why were these images so obviously altered?  More on that later.

“More New Evidence”


Taking that important lesson from S. Centinela Avenue, I then sought to confirm  a working theory that I have had for months about where PopSugar #33 was taken. PopSugar #33 is an odd photo in that it does not appear to be related to any other photo in the PopSugar set in terms of where it was taken.  See PopSugar #33 below.

PopSugar #33

From the S. Centinela Avenue parking lot location, if you travel north and make a left on Olympic Blvd., you arrive at Stewart Street (ironic isn’t it?) in about a minute.  Turning right, in less than another minute you run into the intersection of Stewart & Colorado Avenue where Summit Entertainment maintains two buildings, 2800 Colorado Avenue and the other adjacent to it, 1630 Stewart Street.  The entire drive is remarkably short and is filled with businesses that you would recognize by name from the entertainment industry.  Just down the street from the Summit properties on Colorado Avenue are Lionsgate and MTV and a block further up, a big office of Universal Studios. This is not an abandoned warehouse district in Los Angeles. A Goggle Earth aerial image of the path I traveled appears below.

Google Earth image of drive from S. Centinela parking lot to the Summit properties

See also below a Google Earth aerial image of the intersection and the two Summit properties and a Google Earth streetview image of the intersection looking towards the properties. In the streetview image, the building pictured towards the right is 2800 Colorado Avenue, the building towards the left is 1630 Stewart Street.

Google Earth aerial image of the Summit Properties at Stewart & Colorado

Same intersection but in Google Earth streetview

See next below, two photographs of the properties from across Stewart Street that I took during my visit.  The building on the left is 1630 Stewart Street. The building on the right is 2800 Colorado Avenue.

1630 Stewart Street and 2800 Colorado Avenue

And below see a photograph I took on October 3rd looking from  across Stewart Street cutting across the corner towards Colorado Avenue and a Google Earth image below it showing the general direction of the camera shot.

My photo from across Stewart Street towards Colorado Avenue across the corner

Approximate camera shot of my photograph above

Below is a photo I took from the Colorado Avenue side looking back towards where I took the previous image from, with the general direction of the previous camera shot shown.

Now let’s compare PopSugar #33 and my photo once again.

PopSugar #33

My photo from across Stewart Street towards Colorado Avenue near the corner

As a result of my observations at the scene, I am reasonably confident that PopSugar # 33 was taken at roughly the location of my photo above.  Note the black metal fence that appears in the immediate foreground beyond Kristen’s right windows, and a further fence than runs at an angle to it in the background all the way across the picture.  Notice also the reflection of a large tree in her front windshield and of the trees reflected in her side door. Note also the “bunched” fencing at the extreme left of the picture near the top right of Kristen’s windshield.

Take a look below at another photo I took from the scene from the Colorado Avenue side looking towards Stewart Street.  I believe that several identifying features correspond to those in PopSugar #33.

Another picture I took from Colorado Avenue towards Stewart Street

Note how the fence upright posts in my photo above at a distance appear closer together, a perspective compression effect.  This explains  the “bunched” fence effect in PopSugar #33, because it is the farthest away from the camera in that view.  Also note how the fence running parallel to Kristen’s car would run straight across the picture.   Note also how the fence running at an angle to Kristen’s car would also appear to cross  the picture at an angle in the background from that perspective.  Note also that wider fence posts and the parking meters could be “eliminated” by strategically placing Kristen’s car to obscure them and carefully cropping the picture left to right.  Finally, also note the trees on both sides of Stewart Street.  The far side trees are consistent with those in the car door reflection of PopSugar #33 and the large ones on the near side trees could cast a reflection on Kristen’s front windshield, again consistent with PopSugar #33.

But as with the previous discussion concerning the Car Make Out photos, it is not all that it appears to be.  The door reflection in PopSugar #33 does not match up with the building that appears across the street.  See below my photo of the area that the reflection should match.

My photo across Stewart Street from Summit side of the street.

I believe that portions of that the door reflection have been photoshopped in. Note in PopSugar #33 the oddly compressed low lying building with what appears to be a Spanish tile type roof.  This is not an image that would be difficult to photoshop in.

PopSugar #33

Note also what appears to be the word “Summit” that appears on the curb just ahead of Kristen’s rear right tire in PopSugar #33.  Given the distinct dark line of the undercarriage of the car, this curb area is also very easily photoshopped into this image, which potentially is why the curb doesn’t match to the curb in my photo above.  And ask yourself, why does the word “Summit” appear in PopSugar #33 at all?   The photographer is toying with us.

Note also the relatively distorted background in the PopSugar #33 image that likely results from using a telephoto lens and a large aperture size such as f2 or f4.  Using such a lens with such an aperture setting shortens the depth of field of a shot, throwing the background out of focus.  That’s why photographers frequently use them in portrait shots because they eliminate distractions from the background from interfering with the subject. Note also that this photo has the flattest depth of field (shortest zone of sharpness front to back) of all of the photographs in the 55 pictures in the PopSugar set.  Photoshopping things into this background is easier, as it is already blurry from being out of focus.

Note also how tightly cropped the image is from left to right, again eliminating identifying characteristics such as the wider fence posts and the parking meters that run along the street. I believe that this image was carefully cropped and the background and foregrounds have been digitally manipulated to make it more difficult to establish that it was taken near the Summit offices at this location.  But enough has been intentionally left in to make this connection.  And the curb marking shows us the way to Summit.  Again, the photographer is playing with us.

And then finally look at photo itself. It’s not even clear if this photo was taken on the same day as those in the rest of the PopSugar set.  Note the left strap of Kristen’s top, its either dark brown or black just under her hair on her left shoulder.  Go to the PopSugar site and look at it carefully if you don’t believe me. Gone is the obviously neon yellow bra strap that is so apparent in all of the rest of the PopSugar photos, even when she is in the shadows.

And while we are at it, what of the sun glasses?  Are they the same, or do the ones on the right appear rounder across the bottom whereas the ones on the left appear flatter.  See a close up of these two images below.

Blowup of sunglasses in two different PopSugar photos, #33 and #37

As I said, I am reasonably certain that this is the site of this PopSugar #33, despite a rather feeble attempt to disguise it.  Feeble because it was never intended to completely cover up its location.  Perhaps not certain beyond a reasonable doubt, but certain enough to satisfy the provable evidence standard we have applied to everything else in this review (that standard is described more fully in The Grand Punk Part 6).

“Even More New Evidence”


One nagging concern about the photographic “evidence’ is the location of the Rupert walking photographs, PopSugar photos #34, # 38, #42, and# 29.  Although we had previously established that a fifth photo, # 53 was probably taken immediately across the street from Rupert’s house on Carman Crest Drive and that #42 is an identical blowup of #38 (they are the same), we had not yet established the location where these other photos were taken.  See the set of Rupert Walking Photos below.

The Rupert Walking Photos PopSugar #34, #38, #42, #29, and #53

That mystery is now also solved for photo #34 and photo #38/#42.  I am reasonably certain that they were taken adjacent to 2600 Larmar Road, near the intersection of Carman Crest Drive and Larmar Road, in Los Angeles because I also went to that scene. It is located near the area of Rupert’s house and not far from the area of the Guardrail Make Out Photos on Pacific View Drive.  See the diagram below for the relative locations of these areas.

Google Earth aerial image of path from the Guard Rail Make Out photos scene to Rupert Sanders house

Starting from the Pacific View Drive location (the Guardrail Make Out photos) you turn onto Pacific View Trail a short distance and then make a left at Mulholland Drive, taking it to Outpost Drive where you turn right and after another short distance, turn right on Outlook Cove followed by a left on Carmen Crest Drive which takes you down to the scene of these photographs.  The total distance traveled is about 7/10ths of a mile and it takes about two minutes.   If you continue from there and through the intersection with Larmar Road, Rupert’s house is less than 300 yards away.  Taking this path is necessary because it’s the only road in,  a steep dropoff  next to Mulholland Drive, and the need to go avoid going through multiple private properties.  Once you enter off of Outlook Drive, all of the streets eventually end in dead ends.

Next see  a Google Earth aerial view of the area of these photographs. The large house to the left of the yellow pushpin is 2600 Larmar Road.

Google Earth aerial view of intersection

See next a Google Earth  street view of the area looking towards the intersection of Larmar Road and Carmen Crest Drive towards the Rupert walking photos site. Note that Carmen Crest Drive in this area is relatively straight and flat and provides for very little cover for a photographer.

Google Earth street view image up Carmen Crest Drive towards Larmar Road




See next a Google Earth  street view of the same area taken from roughly the intersection of Larmar Road and Carmen Crest Drive

Google Street view towards Larmar/Carmen Crest intersection

See next a Google Earth street view image below for a close-up of this area adjacent to the address and an identical view below it showing potential identifying characteristics marked.

Google Earth street view image: The identifying characteristics

Now compare this picture with a picture I took of this general area myself on October 3rd.  Only major changes from the Google Earth image are the plantings at the end of the fence, they apparently didn’t make it, and some differences in the sizing and thickness of vegetation.  Also note there are five wider posts from the end of the fence to where you hit the planting gap and the rough location of the tree.

My photo of the same area.

Now compare it to Pop Sugar #38 and #34 below.

PopSugar #38

PopSugar #34

The evidence in Photo #38 shows the same 17 narrow posts between the wider ones (go to PopSugar to confirm if you don’t believe me, the resolution is better there); the same general kind of planting in front of fence (it blooms purple flowers earlier in the year, gone by the time I was there, I grow the same plants); the same branching pattern in the tree (Rupert is obstructing wide post 5 of fence on the right and nearly the wide post 6 on the left and the trunk, but note the upward curving branch below his left elbow); the same gap in planting ( it’s difficult to see most of it because of Rupert’s leg and the camera angle and the overhang of adjacent plants); the same left turning fence rising up the hill; the same general shade of the pavement; and all within 300 yards of Rupert’s house.

Same features in PopSugar #34 only Rupert appears to be more lined up where the fence post makes its turn.  But still the same wide post/narrow post pairings and the same ground plants. There does appear to be a tree of some sort that has been removed to the right of Rupert in the photo.  My more recent photo doesn’t show it well but when I was at the scene taking my photo-graphs I noticed a fair amount of reasonably fresh woodchips at the end of the fence and into the adjacent yard.  That tree that appears to the right of Rupert in Photo #34 in all likelihood was more recently removed which explains why is that is gone in my recent photo.

As I said, I am reasonable certain that this is the site of these photographs.  Not certain beyond a reasonable doubt, but certain enough to satisfy the provable evidence standard we have applied to everything else in this review.

But now for the more important point.  There is no question that Rupert knew he was being photographed and it is nearly impossible that he was taken by surprise.  These were staged photographs.  Why do I say that?  First, these photos are not consistent with being taken by a super telephoto (i.e. 400mm+) from far down Carman Crest Drive. (See the earlier Google Earth image). They are much more likely to have been taken by a short range telephoto (i.e. a 75-200mm) lens cropped all the way in and shot with a relatively large aperture (f4 or f5.6).  That is what accounts for the mild blurring of the background due to the reduced depth of field from such a lens/aperture combination.

Second, the angle of view from well down Carman Crest drive is wrong.  These shots were taken from much closer and angling across Carman Crest Drive, not parallel to it at a significant distance.  Having examined the scene, the photographer was likely well closer than the intersection with Larmar Road.  They were also taken at a relatively flat angle to ground, that is, the camera was held parallel to the ground and at about shoulder height. My shots above were taken from a similar position at about 60 inches off the ground.

Third, because these distances were relatively short and across the road, not well down it, the angles were flat, and there were no hiding places readily available in the area from where they were taken, Rupert would have been able to clearly see the photographer.  Some have argued that these shots were taken with a telephoto lens at significant distances so that although it appears that Rupert is looking at the camera, he actually isn’t.  But note PopSugar #34 in particular.  This was not a random situation where Rupert just happens to look in the direction of the photographer who was at a great distance away.  This was a situation where Rupert looked directly at the photographer from a relatively close range.  He knew that he was there.

Some might argue that this location confirms an aspect of the paparazzi’ original claim (The Lucky Paparazzi- Scenario 1).  Namely that following their tryst, Kristen drove him to within three blocks of his house and dropped him off, as these show him walking home.

Problem is they would have had to pass him (presumably in their own car/cars) and turn around to set up the shot since once you leave the intersection at Outpost Drive, everything beyond it ends in dead ends.  And in effect it was only one block not three.  How would they have known where he was going, as they claimed they didn’t realize who he was until they got back to their office?  More on the significance of these new findings later.

As a final note, the location of PopSugar #29 remain a mystery.


Busting Bad “Evidence”

2241 N. Beechwood Drive, Los Angeles

Not only was I able to discover new evidence in Los Angeles, I was also able to bust some fake evidence.  One of the more ridiculous claims in this whole case was the notion that Rob had thrown Kristen out of the Los Feliz estate after the scandal blew up and that he himself had moved out.  Remember this photograph?

Moving Van purportedly leaving from Rob’s Los Feliz estate on July 28th

It was credited to Bauer-Griffin, the same paparazzi firm that credited the urban myth that Kristen & Rupert were in a long standing affair.  (See The Grand Punk Part 6, Scenario 3).  It was regularly used by Radaronline, TMZ, and other gossip rags to “prove” that Rob was moving out of his house and had asked Kristen to move out as well. Surprisingly, it is used to this day to establish this “fact”.  Only problem is, like before, it is a complete fraud and an urban myth.

See the Temple Hill Drive street sign (partially off the screen) to the extreme right of the picture?

Now lets go to where this Bauer Griffin photo was actually taken, roughly at 2241 N. Beachwood Drive in LA.  You can Google Earth it if you want but this is the location and image.

Google Earth street view from roughly 2244 N. Beechwood Drive towards the Hollywood sign

Note the Temple Hill Drive on the right side of the street just to the right of the van. Note also the Hollywood sign up in the distance, the white house just beyond the black car traveling towards you in the left lane, the palm trees in front of it, and the  trees beyond it.  This is the place of the photo.  It’s a little different since the Baeur-Griffin photo is somewhat distorted because its cropped differently and taken with a telephoto lens.  But again note the Temple Hill Drive sign again to your right, the house, the trees and the palm trees, a complete match. The moving truck was parked horizontally across this view.

Moving Van photo location near 2241 N. Beechwood

Yet this location is not even close to where Rob’s house is located, as it is nearly two miles to the west. And you can’t even see the Hollywood sign near the street leading to Rob’s house on Aberdeen.  Here’s the view from the divided avenue (N. Vermont) leading to the street of Rob’s house. (Aberdeen).  Aberdeen is to narrow and twisted to even fit such a vehicle.


My photo up N. Vermont Ave. past the entry to Rob’s street

You can’t see the Hollywood sign from here.  To do so you would have to continue on up Vermont a couple miles, take a twisted winding road up the mountain toward the Griffin Observatory and then from a lookout, look almost due west. Ergo, the Bauer Griffin photo purporting to be taken near Rob’s house showing the moving truck is a fraud.  Its not even in the same neighborhood.  But why let the facts get in the way of a good lie? Which is what this “cheating scandal” is all about. But it doesn’t end there.

…To be Continued

I have probably worn you out by now.  So I’ll save more for the next edition including what I found at the infamous guardrail.  Definitive proof that the most of the guardrail photos have been digitally manipulated.  But rest assured, there is little doubt that this whole cheating scandal is fabricated. In Part 11, we will explore by who and to what ends and what it means for the scenarios.


357 Responses

  1. I think in the end, whenever the heck that is… the answer to the why is going to be something simple and all the in depth conversations and explanations will really just be in depth conversations…

    IMO, sometimes when you look too deep into something, you miss the obvious.

    • maybe, what is obvious to you?

      • To me.. it is obvious that she did not cheat… it is obvious that the pics are fake/manipulated, etc… it is obvious that R and K are not going to talk about it… it is obvious that someone will leak info… it is obvious that no matter what, it has benefited everyone involved… it is obvious that I am over-invested LMAO…

        Seriously… I am not looking for any more proof that this scandal was fake or whatever… I am looking for the why and who… which isn’t going to be an easy task.. but I am confident that it will come out.. whether the R and/or K fans want it to or not. It is what it is… JMO

      • yes it was obvious, but since saturday am at 0430 until now 2236 monday night i have had maybe 6 hours of sleep!! I do think that maybe R&K cannot talk about it just yet. and that little clues they left may become big clues

      • They will never talk about it. A blessing.

    • I think it’s pretty simple too. The photos appeared and Summit ran with it. Who started them? Liberty? A fan? Who knows. But Summit saw a gift when they saw it.

    • I feel more or less the same. I’m inclined to believe the simplest explanation is the most likely, so a lot of this theorizing is a reach for me. I suspect it will turn out to be something very mundane, like greedy paparazzi having the photos faked.
      However, there are enough odd features about this that I keep an open mind. Hollywood may be stranger and more complicated than I can easily imagine.

  2. “And I apologize to everyone for making them so angry. It was not my intention.” Kristen Stewart, ‘The Mad One,’ Newsweek, 12/17/12.

    Sounds like an admission to me.

    Can either let it fade away; she’s young enough to where this might work. Or, expose the photos. This might make people even angrier, however, it might be the best course of action.

    • What is the FULL context of that quote? I get frustrated with print interviews (in general) they often are misleading or incomplete sounding to me.

    • I did read this and really we have no idea what she was responding to, it wasn’t printed in a Q&A form so what question was she responding to? And really she would not tell some random interviewer anything personal, I don’t think!! And the part about her greasy hair was rude so that tells me alot about what she thinks of her and we saw her hair at the promos and it wasn’t a color because of not filming a movie it looked like she had had it it colored and looked good, I just wasn’t bothered by this at all and don’t see why interviewers have to put a dig in!!! All reporters do is lead us where ever they want and this person wanted us to think they hit the jackpot with a confession as if!!!

    • Try reading the article and tell me what she is admitting to other than being loved or hated.

      • Just read HP and their headlines screams she is commenting on “affair” when you read it–it is obvious (to me) that it has nothing to do with affair . However, general public will not know this. Pretty disgusting.

      • Huff Po is a tabloid. They screwed all their good journalists who built the “paper” up so Arianna could cash in handsomely when she “sold” it. Arianna Huffington campaigned hard for her Republican husband for Congress during pre Bush years, divorced him and got a bundle, campaigned for Bush then switched parties to the Dems. Lots of integrity that woman. She sure does really know the values she stands for. Another Hearst came to town. A real Ulysses in her Greek heritage, bringing the wooden horse as a gift to the US.

      • Exactly. The apology for “making everyone so angry” is just floating there, in response to nothing in particular. Then it’s followed up by remarks about Stewart’s unconventional behaviour during public appearances. Is she apologizing for not acting like a typical celebrity? For the “scandal”? Or for something else entirely?
        Gossip sites are presenting this as a second apology for cheating, but there’s absolutely no basis for that assumption. It’s weird to apologize for infidelity by saying she didn’t mean to make everybody so angry. It’s even weirder for the interviewer to elicit an extremely rare, uncharacteristic open admission from Kristen Stewart, then ignore it and wander on to other topics.

      • Next The National Geo or Field and stream or JAMA, or a law mag will run a similar story!! Any other mag that hasn’t weighed in? Pathetic

      • Badger: That is why print interviews are frustrating for me, with all celebs but in particular Kristen Stewart. I notice all the blank spaces and incomplete thoughts and lack of follow-up, lack of clarity.

      • Lack of clarity, etc. is the best case scenario. More often, her words are deliberately twisted.

      • Both Kristen and Rob know their words will be twisted,it’s so f**king frustrating for them but if the Interviewer is intelligent,they get intelligent answers and hopefully we see the answers how they’ve been answered.

      • Delle1: Very true. From what I’ve seen, Ms. Stewart gives very good and intelligent interviews when she’s questioned by anyone who approaches the conversation with respect and a modicum of sense. When the questions asked her are inane, she responds more or less in kind. Writers who complain she’s shallow are probably in the second category.

      • She mirrors them. And then they project. Her fans get it. The armpit thing. She was putting her on about smell. She knew she hadn’t read Twilight and Edward’s obsession with her smell.

      • Thanks Badger…

      • was this to me?

      • No, sorry. Another pesky emailer. We know you are legitimate! 🙂

      • To Ann I think. Probably her comment is erased.

    • I don´t believe in interviews in newspapers because a lot of times they tend to twisted or put out of contexts the words of the famous to make us believe other thing completly different… I prefer watch interviews.

      A good article must to show the questions and answers because like this it´s easy for the reporter tu put all that he wants.

      About this article I´m 100% sure Kristen NEVER referred to the “scandal” and neither wanted to say sorry because she needn´t to say sorry to the audience.

      In my opinion when she says she´s apologize to make them angry she explains that she knows perfectly whatever she does, whatever she says, she can´t change anything, Haters took a decision and always will to find a reason to critizice and hater her…. so the best she can do is make her life like she wants and she´s sorry in advance for that.

      I admire her because despite to be a young woman she endures stoically harassment from the paparazzi, the media lynching started months ago and the adverse comments of people who are allowed to judge her without knowing her.

      • I agree with Audrey here and very well said. I do believe this is what she is referring to—-commenting on how polarizing opinions of her are. So I guess she knows it, hope she doesn’t spend a lot of time on the internet though.

      • Polarizing opinions are taking the place of opposing hypotheses. Taking the place of truth and falsity. This is a microcosm showing us the danger we are in. As long as we battle this on their turf – and by their turf I mean the Dominating Discourse no one can put fini to this. One must step off this field and go to another, find another way. This is what Kristen and Rob have done at the BD2 premieres, especially the LA one.They have moved into the arena of Symbolic Exchange and Death, the Order of Seduction.

  3. Abbeysbooks:
    They were dragged in, but could always have extricated themselves. There are always choices: futile, damaging, bank account-draining, career-ending choices, but choices, nonetheless. And wouldn’t that be too much to ask of someone?

  4. “People think they know what’s going on, but they don’t really know what’s going on.” – David Cronenberg (about R/K scandal)

    • That may be the only completely true thing that’s been said about this whole business.

      Intriguing to think that D. Cronenberg may have been in a position to know the truth about it. He isn’t exactly part of Pattinson’s or Stewart’s most intimate inner circle, like immediate family, etc. If he knows what’s really going on, how many others also know?

      • I think besides their families and close friends I’m sure many in HW, but at present can’t say anything directly, but can in clues!! But I feel soon something will be said, not a little clue but a big one, not by R&K but by someone else in HW!!!

      • Quite a few I would guess.

      • Nena the clues are already out there. Everyone has missed them. These two are very subtle people.

      • oh I think we have realized quite a few!

      • [quote]”oh I think we have realized quite a few!”[/quote]

        I don’t suppose you could provide a condensed list, for the newer and less astute posters like myself?

      • She is telling those of us who have ears and eyes.

        On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Justice For Kristen wrote:

        > ** > nena commented: “oh I think we have realized quite a few!” >

      • [quote]”She is telling those of us who have ears and eyes.”[/quote]

        To be fair, it would be those who have ears and eyes, AND have followed Stewart’s career closely over at least the past year. I’ve never kept close track of a celebrity or followed entertainment news, and most of what I know about this situation comes from this very board. I became interested mainly because of the strangeness and the vicious, anti-female quality of the public response to the “scandal.” So I have no idea what you mean when you refer to “clues.”

      • Most are non-verbal or are couched in jokes or asides in interviews. The huge majority of them are visual.

        I am getting around to posting on my blog about them and will twitter when I finish. I have had the flu, errands have piled up, and everythig I get up and about I relapse a little. Time.

        Be patient. It will be worth it.This is an intelligent, witty, very post modern woman.

      • Seymourblogger: Then patient I shall be. Thanks for replying.

      • Her dad made comments not to believe everything, and her mom, her wearing his clothes and the neckless and rings. I will have tp look things up, some are subtle some not

      • The picture of their 2 dogs sleeping in each other’s legs. Dogs whose masters love each other, also love each other. If there is conflict with the two the dogs compete with each other and aare often hostile to each other. What I try to explain to people when our dogs meet each other. “Let’s just talk nicely between us and they will get along.”

      • good one! Hey can I see that pic? other people have talked about it. Im trying to go thru stuff to see clues for her

      • I saw it and I forget where. Try bing and images. If you get it give me the link please.

      • Wow,I never thought about that before,a great way to introduce animals to each other…

      • My HoneyBee is a diva and her first response is to snarl. She was a puppy factory for 5 years and very sick when I got her. I have fostered other dogs with her and she gets depressed if I don’t make her feel favorited. But at a doggie park she is very shy and stays very close to me. she never really leaned how to play except with my Dolly Parton who taught her. But she never did with anyone else.

      • Kristen has always given clues as to her and Rob’s relationship and she’s also mentioned in interviews that *It’s obvious*

    • Well people D.Cronenberg is Robert’s mentor so i strongly believe he knows everything!!!!!!!!

      • He will be displaced by Herzog, the master, if he is indeed, Rob’s mentor.

      • It is possible that DC knows everything, esp. since the Cosmo. promos were only 2 weeks after the US Weekly photos. However when he made the comment about “people really don’t know what it going on” I got the feeling that he was speaking in generalities–The fact that there is almost always a discrepancy between the True Reality of a situation, and what the press is reporting is the Reality. DC has been observing this type of situation for several years, (even though he is not a classic Hollywood Insider.) and I think his comment was referring to that.

      • IDK as I spend little time trying to read into stuff like that. I was too busy being angry with him for everything else he was doing. Maybe he just wanted to stop the gossip and concentrate on his film.

      • Robert is going to work on another film with Cronenberg!!! And i believe that there is a strong bond between them!!!

      • Yes. As long as he is as little influenced by him as Viggo. Viggo is the dominant one. Rob will notice. And Herzog and The Rover with Guy Pearce, a perfectionist if there ever was one, and one who has worked with the best will temper any adoration he has.

      • I agree..Rob would’ve confided in him before their promo schedule began.I’m sure Rob would want David to know the truth.

    Wondering what you all think of this. the parts esp, where she is asked about public scrutiny. A pretty good print interview.

    • It is actually a respectable journalist!! And the other idiot who asked about she thinks about public scrutiny is a piece of work, really ask someone how they like being not liked? Really

    • Now, that is the way to conduct an interview with an actor! Refuse to go into things that aren’t actually anybody’s business; elicit comments on what the subject is knowledgeable and/or passionate about; keep questions on difficult topics open-ended, to give the subject the freedom to avoid; actually encourage in-depth discussion of the actor’s work. It’s light years away from the typical celebrity interview, especially interviews with Kristen Stewart.

      • Here is the way to conduct an interview: The Actor’s Studio with Mark Ruffalo. Such a beautiful man and I never knew anything about him before except his film work. A caveat tho: to conduct an intelligent interview requires you to be intelligent. When someone sounds like an elementary student asking childish questions, you are listening and watching the failure of the American educational system. Mark Ruffalo who is just as nice as Rob.

      • Charlie Rose is another master at it. They are so few and far between.

      • I like him a lot. When I was homesteading in the 90’s I used to drive to a friend’s almost every night to listen to him. I felt he was my only tie to culture. That’s when I first heard Tarantino. He left me in the dust on films.

  6. Hello excellent blog truth I never thought that those pictures are true if a photoshop, my English is terrible my mother tongue is Spanish and I am trying to help with a translator and is quite difficult, I read everything absolutely everything, but as I said it makes me hard with a translator often not understood that translates. wanted to ask with all the respect it deserves, but in summary, this was an agreement sanders and ross?, or you are involved Kristen and Rob? (which I do not think), also has something to do Summit in?, and if so Kristen and Rob were aware of this?, or was a trap against them?, I believe, first, that none of these photos are true and you’ve got the minimum minimum doubt I had before this, has done an excellent job, if you could be kind enough to explain it would be very grateful to that.

  7. To our german friends. Unsubstantiated claims and bogus email addresses do not inspire confidence. Want to dance? Have the guts?

  8. Do any of you remember Ted Casablanca from eonline the aweful truth? He always seemed to know what was really going on with rob and Kristen. Did any of you see his last post before he willingly retired from eonline 7 days before the scandal happened? In his last video he addressed the rumor, does robsten fake their romance? He said yes but they’re not as fake as you think. At the end of the video he said the bd2 promo tour will be no walk on the beach. He knew what was about to happen hence the scandal was premeditated but by whom? Well I follow him on twitter and this is what he has said about the scandal. ”everything u r hearing about robsten is arranged. Let me assure you of this.” A couple days later he said ”robsten’s not perfect. That’s why I love them. They know exactly what they’re doing.” I asked him if he had any advice for fans. His tweet to me was, if you hear solid answers don’t believe them. Its coming from their publicists not them. I hate to even think it but it sounds like rob and Kristen are actually behind this. The only answer to why I can come up with is to change their images and Ted did mention something about when Kristen got hurt on the swath set. He said ”remember how Kristen kept getting hurt on swath set? That atmosphere only increased.” Maybe the why was simply to get Rupert fired from swath 2.

    • I do remember reading these aft everything, didn’t he also say that R&K relationship was not your average HW relationship, which some of ur thought that it could mean that they were in a real relationship and did not cheat. The arranged part could mean that it was arranged and R&K had to go along! And that they know what they are doing could mean that everything they have done sense was part of the plan to expose who ever did this to them. So things can be seen differently! Idk!!

      • Why would anyone believe anything Casablanca said about anybody or anything. Eonline was/is another stupid tabloid. To use tabloids as sources of anything doesn’t make sense.

    • Actually Ted has always been very unreliable about Rob & Kristen and has tended to make up stuff to cater to the warring factions. He’s just in it for web hits and acts as if he has some kind of insider info which usually doesn’t pan out or is the type of thing anyone could have guessed at. There were plenty of other ways to get rid of Rupert for SWATH II- namely he was the weak link to begin with, good with the visual arts but not the greatest story teller, and all she would have had to do if so inclined was to say to Universal no sequel with her unless someone else directing. Let me assure you, the actors were the draw, not the director. Universal know why the film grossed nearly a half a billion dollars.

    • I don’t think Ted C. knows anymore than anyone did or does. Beginning a few years ago he fanned the flames of Robsten “mania” which ended up harming the couple and their privacy–imo.

  9. I haven’t seen anyone remark on the rear view mirror image. Not the side view mirrors, but the rectangular rear view mirror inside the car – visible in #4, #25, #45, #46, and #52.
    In the pictures where it’s visible, the mirror reflects a blank grey surface – from where, I can’t tell. Shouldn’t it pick up some glimpses of the couple in the front seats? The mirror isn’t angled sharply to the right or left. It’s not angled upward, so it would reflect the car’s ceiling. It seems to reflect the seat back or head rest, but not the people occupying the front seat. Shouldn’t it at least pick up a glimpse of the top of Stewart’s or Sanders’ heads? It *appears* to reflect an empty car. Do you have any thoughts on the rear view?

  10. I think my last comment didn’t go through. To repeat, why does the interior rear view mirror not reflect the people in the car? It reflects a plain grey surface, as if showing the car’s seat or headrest when the car is empty; but it should catch at least the top of someone’s head, at that angle. Any comment?

  11. This site has become a GC 2 lately, that I sadly helped with. I am done as this isnt helping and now its just a trash R&K thing now. I have always said everyone can have their own opinions but this is just like a tab comment space. Blaming K if she did go see Rup, if he had harassed her is just too much. This is a justice for kristen site not a blame her. Yes I have said things about Rup but I have used vid, and pictures for my feelings. So I will wait for rest of part 11 and any more before I make my opinions to myself, this trashing isnt what I need. sorry

  12. I believed from the beginning of this mess it was staged for the last movies release. Still do because Robert P took her back. I don’t think he would have it she had really done that to him.

    • Play with thought. Epic worldwide public humiliation with the apology on top of what had all ready happened with the pictures being released. And within six weeks or less a complete reconciliation along with pool photos shots. Kristen proclaiming as early as Sept. 6 that they were fine? Some would like to think that Rob is the most understanding and forgiving boyfriend of all time. (Back on that Edward pedestal again). Maybe. Anything is possible. But is it probable? Think about it. And if it isn’t, what does that say about the whole thing. You are right beam Kays.

      • Ok if one of the reasons for doing this was to shed the Twilight personas what about this: “Some would like to think that Rob is the most understanding and forgiving boyfriend of all time. (Back on that Edward pedestal again).” So that backfired then! If they wanted to be thought of not as E&B then that didnt work at all.

      • Only if you assume that every element of the story has already played itself out. But as I have said many times before, the timing of everything has always been in Rob and Kristen’s complete control. If it turns out that this whole “scandal” never happened, a lot of people have wasted a lot of useless ink on how extraordinary a person he is and how awful a person she is. And they will be left to ponder why they clung to such extreme notions, both positive and negative. Many many times they have both just tried to remind us that they just a guy a girl. Pretty much like the rest of us. And yet people won’t let it go.

      • But really do you, think the haters, the media, or the paparazzi who have spent so much time hating her really care whether or not it really happened? Heck alot of fans who do like both of them think she cheated and he forgave her, they dont care anymore. Especially after all this time? I dont think alot of them care right now what happened, its just something to do for them, a way to make money! Many prob dont even remember why they hate her!! It seems the only people who care is all of us. I hope im wrong but I dont think the media and paparazzi will care at all after all this time if it comes out that they have been played, the only way to hurt them is through money and how do we do that when the longer this goes on more and more people think she did cheat and either hate her or still like her and “forgave her”. I think the media think of them as a joke now, just a money maker and they will keep it up, add more family and friends into the bashing. Maybe even start on Rob’s family. If the punk is exposed the media will just laugh it off, unless it involves the legal system why will they care if nothing changes for them, and they continue to trash and stalk other celebs, even one of their own gets killed and they dont care!! Fustrated!

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