The Grand Punk Part 13

by twilighter

After a year-long effort, the tabloid press has finally managed to once again catch Kristen Stewart with Rupert Sanders.  And they have the photographic evidence to prove it. You know what they say, the camera never lies. Here is their evidence.

Kristen Caught

Yeah right, What a farce. July 17th, 2012 was also a farce, and today is a perfect day to take out the trash.  Which is exactly what we are going to do. During this series I have examined the provable evidence in the so-called Kristen Stewart cheating scandal and described eleven different scenarios that have put forward to try to explain what happened.  Today we will send several of them packing. A review of The Grand Punk series would probably be helpful to new readers of this series, but in particular, a review of Part 10 ( Part 11 ( and Part 12 ( would be most helpful.

Back in The Grand Punk Part 6, I introduced the concept of what provable evidence means.

In every investigation it’s good to take a pause, stand back, take a look at the provable facts, and examine the scenarios that potentially explain an episode. And in the process distinguish between facts as opposed to background noise, rumors, and unsubstantiated gossip based on unnamed sources.  Engaging in that process can weed out unlikely scenarios and focus attention on the path forward.  Now is a good time to do this with the Kristen Stewart “cheating scandal.

In doing so, particular care must be exercised when assessing the believability of unidentified and unnamed sources.  Such sources, or reports of what they say, can be falsified or exaggerated with impunity and are immune from cross examination.  That is the case whether such sources are claimed by the National Enquirer, Us Magazine, Gossip Cop, People Magazine, or the New York Times.  But make no mistake, only the last entity has journalistic standards that require multiple sources and confirmation of the details provided by sources before a story runs.  The rest are just part of celebrity gossip machine that is in the business of making money off of gossip.

That being the case, for the purposes of this inquiry, unnamed or unidentified sources of information shall not be considered as providing provable facts unless the information provided is substantiated by multiple, independent, non-conflicting sources, or photographs or video, and the information provided is such that a reasonably prudent person would rely on the truth of the information in making an important decision in their own life, in essence the reasonable person standard from tort law.

So lets take a look at the essential provable facts from this story.

Fifteen Facts in the Kristen Stewart Cheating Scandal

1. To most reasonable minds, by the end of 2011 Rob and Kristen were involved in a long-term, highly private, stable relationship for a matter of years.

It’s hard to remember but, prior to the so-called events of July of 2012, the debate over whether Rob and Kristen were a couple was pretty much over.  Most of the diehard Nonstens had much thrown in the towel and even shut down their websites.  We were well past the hand holding on the Paris tarmac, the Montreal kiss, years of cross continental birthday trips and reciprocal set visits, holidays on the Isle of Wight, shared clothes, knowing looks, and “My boyfriend” is English.  And only about a little more than a month past the Cannes Film Festival.

Rob and Kristen in a rare public display of affection at the Cannes Film Festival premier of Cosmopolis. Not for commercial purposes, no copyright violation intended.

Rob & Kristen in a rare pda at the Cannes premier of Cosmopolis.
Photo not for commercial purposes, no copyright violation intended.

The almost uniform reaction to the so-called scandal underscores this fact.  People did not say “Oh my god, Kristen had a fling with Rupert, I guess she was never in a relationship with Rob.”  No, the reaction was “Oh my god, how could she cheat on him”, which necessarily presumed that they were in a relationship to begin with.

That is not to say however, that there weren’t some who doubted the scandal’s authenticity almost from the very beginning, such as yours truly and Crushable’s Jeni Maier, although for different reasons.  Those doubts accelerated for many with the somewhat flawed and misleading release of the Youtube video “The Camera Never Lies”.  But the authenticity of the scandal is a different question from the authenticity of their relationship.

It wasn’t until people began to grasp for straws to explain why Rob would forgive Kristen after a very public, monumental humiliation of him and serious doubts began to be raised about the photographs that all of the “PR” theories sprung back to life. That their reconciliation must have been merely feigned to sell theater tickets or that they were contractually bound to fake a romance from the start.  To see the fallacy of that last argument, see Busting Urban Legends About the So-Called Kristen Stewart Cheating Scandal:  The PR Relationship Contract Clause Myth at

But like all things in this new digitized 24/7 electronic tabloid era, re-writing history was just a few key strokes away and a hot bed of anti-Kristen sentiment based on long standing Robert Pattenson mania as the world’s sexiest man and every girl’s dream come true, only poured gasoline on to the fire.  Setting the stage for a public flogging and conflagration never before seen in terms of its intensity, length, and hysteria.  Almost instantly, Kristen became a modern day pariah, the most hated woman in Hollywood.

2.  Rob and Kristen’s mutual hatred and disgust for the paparazzi and the celebrity gossip machine has been a well established fact for years.

For a number of years, Kristen regularly flipped the paparazzi off, sometimes with two hands, and on at least one occasion in Paris in early 2012, taunted one who was abusing her to “freeze to death.”


Kristen’s famous two handed bird.                Photo not for commercial purposes, no copyright violation intended

Equally impressive were her verbal denouncements of both the paparazzi and the celebrity gossip rags:

I don’t care about the voracious, starving shit eaters who want to turn truth into shit.

What you don’t see are the cameras shoved in my face and the bizarre intrusive questions being asked, or the people falling over themselves, screaming and taunting to get a reaction. The photos are so… I feel like I’m looking at someone being raped. A lot of the time I can’t handle it. It’s f***ed. I never expected that this would be my life.

I’m just going to let people watch whatever little movie they think our lives are and go for it. Keep them guessing.  That’s what I always say.

And even most recently her muttering of  “Rats, cockroaches, parasites!”  while in Paris for fashion week. But perhaps the most telling of them all:

I always say to myself I’m never going to give anything away because there’s never any point or benefit for me.  I guarantee, when I have a baby, everyone is going to want to know my kid’s name and I’m not going to say it for ages.

These were only a few of her many famous quotes. What else could a woman who is so fiercely private that she plans on refusing to divulge her child’s name to the celebrity gossip machine be capable of?  Just about anything?

Rob, although less physically demonstrative digitally, has been no more respectful of them than Kristen and late in 2012 once famously said that he should make “castrating” paparazzi his favorite past time and “that the tabloid industry does terrible, terrible things to the world.  It makes people stupid.” He also has said:

Media culture is a monstrous thing, you can’t win. The annoying thing is that you can’t attack them, but you can’t defend yourself. The best thing you could possibly do is punch a paparazzi and give them their big payday.

You know, when the whole thing dries up and there’s hardly any paparazzi around — I don’t know, in 15 years or something — I like the idea of just one paparazzo coming out and trying to get a picture, and I just beat the shit out of him. I mean — out of nowhere — when my You know, picture’s not even worth…and I’ve spent all my money, so you can’t sue me!

Rob and Kristen’s mutual hatred of the paparazzi and the tabloid press was born and nurtured during a period of time when they rapidly became the most speculated about couple on the face of the planet.  Trying to build a relationship out of the public eye as hordes of fans, paparazzi and tabloids tracked their every move from Vancouver to Los Angeles, Budapest to Paris, Montepuchiano, Italy to Montreal, and to the Isle of Wight.  And more than any couple in the history of Hollywood, because of the new 24/7 tabloid world, there were always people watching, tweeting, posting, and reading.  And make no mistake, no one was more aware of that than Rob and Kristen themselves. Which is what makes Kristen parading before some paparazzi on July 17, 2012 all the more ridiculous.


The whole world’s watching.

3.  Rob and Kristen had been arguably foreshadowing the coming of this “cheating scandal” for months.

At the Breaking Dawn 1 Premier in November of 2011, Rob first talked of an Edward and Bella divorce in a red carpet interview with Marc Malkam.  At the time, Kristen and several other cast members also talked of it.  Elizabeth Reaser went so far to say that “I think Bella would stray if anyone was going to.  I don’t think either of them will, but she’s so young. I mean, Edward’s got like a hundred years on her.” Billy Burke even joked about the boredom and the possibility of them having an open relationship with Jacob.

And in a spring 2012 Vogue interview, Kristen talked of how perfect and boring her life was and how she “couldn’t wait for someone to fuck” her over and how you can “learn a lot about life from adversity.”  Words which were to be poured over and analyzed again and again once the “scandal” broke.

Then at Comic Con in 2012, just two weeks before July 17, Rob again talked of Bella & Edward’s “Mr. & Mrs. Smith thing”  while on a panel, offering Stephanie Meyer a suggestion as to where the Saga could proceed if she were to write another sequel.

And mere days before the scandal breaking, Rob’s Breaking Dawn press day interview on July 16 where he purportedly said “No, I’ve never been betrayed by people who are actually in my life, like my friends or even my acquaintances. No one has ever done anything.”

So many people have called all of these things ironic, karma, or tempting the fates.  But for me, these “coincidences” suggest a much more explicit strategy.

4.  Despite the high profile public nature of this so-called “scandal”, surprisingly little credible evidence of it exists and what does exist contains significant gaps and problematic elements.   

Despite claims that this “cheating scandal” occurred on July 17th (a date that has never been factually confirmed though FFN claimed it) and started with Kristen leaving a gym in Santa Monica, no other photos from the day in question have ever been disclosed despite a multi-hour surveillance involving up to purportedly four paparazzi.  Only 55 photographs were ever produced from it and video evidence is completely lacking.  This from one of the largest and most active paparazzi agencies in Los Angeles.  Claims by some that there were more photos that were withheld  or that Kristen bought them to preclude them from being made public is nothing more than bald speculation.  A year later we are still dealing with the same old 55 photos.  That’s it, that is all there is. The case is made or not made on this evidence.

The FameFlynet/US Magazine account of what happened is also rife with errors from where it happened, to when it happened, and as to how it happened.   The photos fail to match up to the account.  For a more detailed examination, See “It’s Time to Put Something to Rest: US Magazine’s Account of the Kristen Stewart Cheating Scandal Was Fabricated” at  An online poll associated with that blog found that 85% of those responding did not believe the FFN/USMagazine’s account of the events of that day.  And yet that account  forms one of the four key prongs of the argument supporting this  so-called scandal.

5.  Despite claims of a version of events, FameFlyNet, US Magazine, and PopSugar, the purveyors of the “scandal” don’t have a clue as to how, where, and under what circumstances the so-called “cheating” photographs were actually taken.

The epic mismatch between their claimed series of events and reality is legendary.  Their version of a deserted downtown warehouse district ends up being a parking lot at 2272 S. Centinela Avenue in Santa Monica, right in the heart of the Santa Monica movie making industry and right around the corner from Rupert Sander’s production offices.  A scenic overlook, complete  with hikers, dogwalkers, and tourists, with a view of downtown LA and the Hollywood Sign, ends up being a quiet dead-end residential street, Pacific View Drive,  with a non-descript guard rail looking north over Universal City with no view of downtown LA or the Hollywood Sign.  Their version of Kristen sitting in her car turns out being taken right in front of the corporate offices of Summit Entertainment in Santa Monica at Stewart Street & Colorado Avenue.  And multiple photos of Rupert walking turn out to be taken within three hundred yards of his house in the Hollywood Hills just minutes away from the guard rail site.

Yet, not one photo shows him being picked up, dropped off, or getting into or out of her car; Kristen’s car driving off; or their purported final good bye kiss.  And not one shows Kristen being tailed from a gym to Los Feliz and back or anywhere else for that matter.

Hours of surveillance ends with only 55 photos, many of which are highly duplicative with minor variations.  Suggesting more questions than they do answers.

6.  Despite being perhaps one of the more noteworthy news events of the year, not a single paparazzi of the alleged four has ever been identified or ever stepped forward to claim that they were the ones who took the pictures.  They remain “ethereal photographers”, faceless and nameless, never to be cross examined or even questioned as to what they claimed happened.

Despite some claims the contrary, the paparazzi account of what they saw that day is only available through second hand hearsay, primarily from the authors at US Magazine and through FameFlyNet President Scott Cosman who provided a version of their account to the LA Times.  Other than his claim, there is absolutely nothing to show that FameFlyNet photographers were even involved in taking these pictures or that his four “paparazzi” existed at all.  They could have just as easily been staged by Rob and Kristen with Rupert’s assistance and simply dropped into FFN’s lap.  Which also explains why FFN was so clueless as to their origins and so reticent about identifying or producing the paparazzi for questioning.  And Cosman’s claim that the photographers didn’t even know who the guy with Kristen was with until they “examined the pictures back at the office” stretches credulity to the breaking point.

Imagine for one moment a trial where the prosecution is never required to even call a witness to a crime.  Where a person can be convicted and imprisoned based on what someone claims another witness saw or heard. And that person doesn’t even have to appear at the trial, they can just write about what they claim happened.   Is that the kind of American justice you believe in?

7.  Many of the “cheating photos” show evidence of staging and photo digital manipulation to throw people off the track of where they were taken or to signal to careful observers that the pictures are not what they purport to be .  Despite that fact, the defects in those photos are readily detectable and eventually discovered,  and the location of their shooting mysteriously comes to light.

Most of the South Centinela Avenue parking lot photos show evidence digital alteration of the side view mirror image, the rear view mirror image, and rear hatch back window reflections that cannot be matched to the actual scene.  See the “Grand Punk Part 10” and “The Smoking Gun: Conclusive Evidence that the Kristen Stewart Cheating Scandal Was Staged” at

PopSugar #49

Most of the Pacific View Drive guard rail photos show evidence of digital manipulation of Kristen’s height in relation to Rupert and the guardrail or both, or show evidence of distortions in the size and/or length of their hands and arms, show lighting errors and evidence of the use of artificial fill lighting, and obvious continuity errors involving rings, hats, and the condition of cars. See just one example below.  An exhaustive analysis of the guardrail photos is contained in The Grand Punk Parts 11 and 12.

PopSugar #51 analyzed

PopSugar #51 analyzed

With one exception, none of these changes make the photos more salacious but rather simply alert careful viewers that the photos are not what they purport to be. The one photo that becomes more salacious defies the laws of physics and gravity.  See that photo below.

PopSugar #59 analyzed

PopSugar #50 analyzed:  Kristen’s gravity and physics defying hair.

Although some of these defects are subtle, nearly all of them are easily detected by just looking at them critically.

And then there is the little matter of how the shoot locations came to light.  They didn’t become known because of the work of the tabloids.  FameFlyNet even had to send photographers to the scenes after they were identified to photograph the sites.  Something that is readily apparent on their own website where they list those pictures as  being created on 7/26/2012 and how images of these “two together at these locations have just surfaced in the past two days”. FFN was obviously trying to cover their tracks and figure out what the hell had just happened. Some tabloids even thought the Pacific View Trail overlooked the Pacific Ocean and included pictures of the Pacific Ocean in their accounts!  See for example, Hollywood Lies regurgitated version of the story from July 25, 2012:

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Complete with a picture showing the Pacific Ocean and a  view of where “they were allegedly caught kissing by photographers”. All the details?  No, TOTALLY CLUELESS!

These shoot locations came to light because of the observations of people on blogs and in comments or more likely because the people actually responsible for them being taken leaked them onto the internet.  Otherwise, we would have never known where they were taken.

Despite the problems inherent in the photos, these photos constitute the second of the four key prongs of the argument supporting this  so-called scandal.

8.  In spite of being successful, with a few notable exceptions, at keeping her relationship with Rob away from the paparazzi, Kristen was purportedly discovered in a so-called cinch with a married director in broad daylight, in public, showing little attempt to hide her identity.  And in a car she had not been pictured in for months and that she had self-described as being a paparazzi magnet.

This from a woman who has managed to hide a relationship in plain sight for more than four years.  A couple who was photographed holding hands only a few times, and in what one would term as  intimate embraces in public only a few fleeting times more (the Montreal kiss; leaving the WFE premier; at the Cannes Film Festival and after party; and at Kristen’s Los Feliz house in October of 2013).

There was no surreptitious encounter, secret hotel rendezvous, no attempt at disguise or subterfuge.  And at times during the so-called cinch, it appeared that either Kristen or Rupert stared dead at the photographers.

PopSugar #31

PopSugar #31 Kristen Didn’t know she was being photographed?   Yeah right.      Photo not for commercial purposes, no copyright violation intended.

Despite unsupported claims by some of spy cameras, secret surveillance, and long range telephotos lens, evidence establishes that all of the photos were taken at relatively close range under 65 feet and under circumstances making it impossible for the photographers to secret themselves from view.  See “The Grand Punk Part 10 and 11.” Notions that they were photographed without their knowledge, consent, or cooperation are baseless and contrary to the physical evidence. Just as are claims that they were contractually forced to cooperate in them being taken. See Busting Urban Legends About the So-Called Kristen Stewart Cheating Scandal:  The PR Relationship Contract Clause Myth at

9. Despite high profile claims by People Magazine of both Kristen and Rupert’s “statements of apology”, People Magazine failed to disclose the source of, form of, or circumstances of how they obtained such statements and failed to establish how they link each of them to those purported statements.

People Magazine tried to leave people with the impression that Kristen and Rupert provided them with official press release statements which was anything but the truth.  One of their own employees at the time tweeted that the so-called apologies were provided by sources not from the parties themselves, sources that were never identified. Neither Rupert nor Kristen have ever publicly acknowledged the existence or accuracy of these statements.  And if it had come from through their reps and they wanted it out their, the reps would have freely invited People to identify the reps as providing them, providing further authenticity to the release.  Yet People has been noticeably silent about exactly who they purportedly got these  statements from.  Yeah right, I can talk tabloid lingo with the best of them.

Already reeling from being scooped by US Magazine on the original account of the so-called “scandal”, People wasn’t about to get scooped again while they awaited some confirmation of the statements authenticity.  We saw them do much the same recently when they admitted they ran the Rob and Kristen breakup story without confirmation from the actor’s agents.  Checking with reps is a myth that they try to promote just to shore up their credibility, something many people mistakenly believe. But one that is obviously untrue.

Striped of all the fanfare, the only basis for believing the apologies at all comes from the fact that neither Kristen nor Rupert failed to deny making them.  Yet even if it is believed that they in fact made the statements, nothing establishes that the statements contained within them are the truth. And the truth of the matter remains, we have know idea where these “apologies” came from. These tainted apologies are the final two prongs of the four key prongs of the argument supporting this  so-called scandal.

10.  From July 22nd to September 5th, Kristen was completely out of the public eye despite rampant speculation and misreporting as to her whereabouts.  Rob was completely MIA from July 22nd to August 13th.  And when they reappeared, Rob was sporting a suntan and Kristen was trying her hardest at the TIFF to convince people that she was malnourished from the stress.

Rob and Kristen’s complete disappearance from the public eye between July 22nd to August 13th is a mystery that remains to this day.  As does Kristen’s continued disappearance until September 5th.  And unlocking that mystery is the key to understanding what really happened in the so-called Kristen Stewart Cheating Scandal. Various unsubstantiated tabloid accounts tried to place them in various places but always apart.  Most accounts tried to claim they were licking their wounds and trying to recover from a explosive breakup.

But right on cue, Rob appeared for his promotional duties for Cosmopolis in NY and eventually at the VMA’s in Los Angeles.  And Kristen appeared for her promotional obligations in Toronto for On the Road.  Despite tabloid tales of starvation and depression and breakup trauma, neither looked worse for the wear.  For a discussion of the Kristen myth of Living on Redbulls & Nicotine see the later portion of “The Grand Punk Part 12.”

11.  Despite a monumental public humiliation and betrayal, and the first public proclamation of her love for him while apologizing for an indiscretion with another man, Rob “forgives” Kristen in a matter of a couple months and the two are seen together again both publicly and privately in ways that are entirely contrary to tabloid claims that they have parted company.

Rumors of their “reconciliation” began to surface almost immediately after the so-called scandal broke, but solid evidence of them being together is evidenced in photos of the them taken  on October 14th and 15th in Los Feliz, and at a home purchased by Kristen in Los Feliz sometimes referred to as Los Feliz 2 on October 17th.  These last photos are most telling as the tabloid responsible for taking them was forced to take the photos down due to a criminal trespass that occurred in order to get them taken and the intimate behavior shown between the two of them in the photos.  And though that tabloid and several others were forced to take them down, the photographs have remained on a number of Rob and Kristen fansites indefinitely for all to see.

12.  Despite a virtual torrent of subsequent stories about them from the celebrity gossip machine, nearly all of these stories are baseless fabrications made up for the purposes of getting webhits and virtually all are made on the basis of unnamed and unidentified sources which are incapable of verification or testing for their credibility and truthfulness.

I endeavor to say that never has so much baseless bullshit been written about two people in Hollywood history.  Following the “cheating scandal, the celebrity gossip machine rained nonsense onto the internet in endless quantities for months on end, and continued to do so well afterward.  Something that has continued to this very day.  To review a multitude of such nonsense stories, read my blogs at There is not enough time in the day to debunk this endless BS.  I venture to say that the vast majority of things written about Rob and Kristen’s personal life on the internet is patently untrue. Something which Rob himself has affirmed in an interview.  And particularly where it is based on unnamed sources and it appears in a tabloid.

13.  That despite claims after the so-called scandal that Rob refused to talk to her, couldn’t stand to be in the same room with her, refused to promote Breaking Dawn 2 with her, and would cease any involvement with her following the promotions, Rob and Kristen appeared together in multiple promotions for the film on MTV and in LA, Paris, Berlin, and Madrid; they vacationed together in England over the Thanksgiving holiday; and returned from England and remained together into the New Year.

Though some claimed they did so only to get through the promotions period, they continued together into the new year and even after a several week hiatus while Rob was filming The Rover in Australia. This entire period was marked by several unsubstantiated accounts of problems within their relationship and Rob stepping out. It got so ridiculous that I was predicting the stories before the tabloids were even writing them.  See  “Predicting Tabloid Garbage: Assessing Five Rob Kristen Stories Waiting to Happen at  Which were all obliterated when Rob returned straight to Kristen.  That continued through and up to Kristen’s birthday which was marked by a major gathering of their friends at a restaurant in Los Feliz and them looking very much together.

Following that event, both Rob and Kristen were virtually chased through Coachella by a pack of paparazzi while they were trying to enjoy a weekend of music and fun. It was not long after that that Eleanore “the serial liar” Hutch of Hollywood Lies (Life) fabricated the Rupert Sanders As a Valet story.  See “Oh the Tabloid BS Rob & Kristen Stories Just Keep Coming- Part 2” at  And the stage was set for even more tabloid nonsense.

14. Despite periodic claims of  “breaking up”, “taking a break”, and “trial separations”, all available evidence suggests that they remained together up until May 12, 2013.

Despite claims of PR contracts and relationship strife, all of the available evidence up to May 12, 2013 suggests that Rob and Kristen remained together throughout without incident.  But almost over night a series of developments  exploded across the internet in May and the tabloids were selling a breakup big time although they were all over the map on why they claimed that it happened.  For a review of some of this nonsense, see Examining the Case for a Rob & Kristen Breakup at ;  and 2+2=5 WTF? at .  We will examine this nonsense more closely in Part 14 of the Grand Punk later.

15. Despite a year long obsession with the notion that a Kristen/Rupert hookup actually happened on July 17, 2012, there is insufficient provable evidence that such an event ever happened.

And I am stating it as a fact.  I am sure that this conclusion is going to stir some controversy, so let me start out by saying that I am not some starry eyed teenage Robsten fan or a true believer in the Robsten dream.  I will leave that to others.  As I have stated before, I could care less about whether Rob and Kristen are together or not, whether they have found the “perfect love”, or whether they “hate each others guts”.  This story is not about that for me.

What this story is about for me is the truth, and how multi-million dollar tabloid corporations manufacture “news” and millions of people blindly accept it without a second thought.  How the traditional news media is being quickly overwhelmed by a 24/7 tabloid entertainment notion of what constitutes the truth and news. And what people are driven to when they are trying to navigate life in the fishbowl that Hollywood has become.

I’ll put it simply, the notion that a Kristen and Rupert hookup actually happened is a four legged stool that is only as strong and believable as the legs it stands on.  Those legs in this case are, the FFN/US Magazine account of how the so-called hookup occurred; the photographic “evidence” that they offered of it; People Magazine’s claimed “statement of apology” by Kristen; and People Magazine’s and US Magazine’s claimed “statement of apology” by Rupert.

The Grand Punk Part 10, 11, and 12 collectively obliterate the notion that the FFN/Us Magazine account of the hookup is credible, something that a reasonable prudent person should rely on in making an important decision in their own lives. Similarly, they demonstrate that the “photographic evidence” is equally tainted and are patently insufficient to prove that the event actually occurred.  And as for the final two legs, the apologies, relying on an unnamed, unidentified source to “sell” the notion of a “statement of apology” is a travesty of justice that should not be tolerated.  People should not have to deny rubbish, the purveyors of news should have to prove their claims.  This stool is little more than a pile of rubbish than can’t begin to support the claim of a Kristen & Rupert hookup.

And don’t even try to get started on the divorce.  People get divorced every day for many different reasons.  The Rupert and Liberty divorce can’t revive a notion that was already dead in the water.  It is at best circumstantial evidence of a problem in the marriage that cannot be linked to the existence of an actual Kristen and Rupert hookup.  And there was already plenty of evidence prior to the so-called cheating scandal to suggest that that marriage was troubled.  Right out of Liberty’s mouth.

That is not to say however, that there are not going to be people who continue to believe this b ull.  Rob said it best, “Tabloids make people stupid.”  And some people find comfort in the stupidity.  But for those of you who are really interested in understanding what actually happened, continuing to pretend that the hookup occurred is a waste of time.  It’s old tripe that hasn’t really changed in over the past year.  And it’s time to throw out the trash.

Where Do We Go From Here?

Let’s bury some scenarios. Back in The Grand Punk Parts 6, 7, and 8, I presented eleven scenarios that have been offered to attempt to explain what happened in the so-called Kristen Stewart cheating scandal.  Five of them are immediately dead on arrival.  Any scenario that is based on the notion that a Kristen/Rupert actually happen should be rejected.  Given this conclusion all of the Kristen and Rupert Were Having an Affair and Got Caught Scenarios of The Grand Punk Part 7 can be discarded, including the prevailing FFN/US Magazine account Scenario 1 “The Lucky Paparazzi”, Scenario 2 The Lucky Paparazzi Un-embellished, Scenario 3 The Paparazzi on a Mission; Scenario 4 The Private Eye, and Scenario 5 The Kristen & Rupert Didn’t Care if They Got Caught.  May they rest in peace.  You may review them for historical purposes and to do combat with online babblers but they will not further your understanding of what actually happened in this case.

Given the discussion here about the reality of the Rob & Kristen relationship, I think can also safely bury Scenario 11, The Faux Romance.

In Part 13 of The Grand Punk we will take a look at what’s left focusing particularly on the staged scenarios and chart a course for our further examinations.  In the meantime, try to weather the tabloid shit storm that this day is sure to bring.  And take a very serious look at what happened at Coachella this year.  It may provide the clues for why the last two months have been a wild ride.


183 Responses

  1. I read some things on HKN Haven today that were interesting – her “source” is a cousin of Kristen’s and she’s been right about numerous things all through this year.
    She said 2 things -1. it’s an engagement ring 2. they’re seriously thinking of living LA even thought that’s where her family and their friends live. This all because of the Papz!!!
    I don’t know if this is true but would that help? Their pics are worth enough to send a guy close to where they’ll be living. It some point people will find their new home and then what?
    They aren’t staying at their LF houses now for the same reasons. I think this is really F’ed up!

    • How can you be sure neither of them staying at their homes?

    • If they are engaged good for them. I would pack my home up and leave that city. Go somewhere where they can live. I for one do not need to know where. I am glad if they are safe and happy. I worry about Kristen because of the paps that follow her. Look what happened to Princess Diana.

      Katy Perry has a right I guess to respond to the accusations thrown toward her. Her response was late and snide. She has boobs. Well duh. I will leave that alone just point out she could have done what Riley did immediately.

  2. Katy Perry’s Elle interview (hitting stands tomorrow) revealed that she sent a text to Kristen to assure her she wasn’t with Rob, just trying to be a friend (paraphrased). It’s a stretch to think that she was giving a sarcastic response to an annoying question, but we can always hope.

  3. T57, what do you make of Katy Perry’s recent comments in an interview she did with Elle Magazine about trying to be a friend to Rob after the break-up happened? Elle isn’t a tab and they don’t run pap pictures so I can’t see what they might have to gain by perpetuating the pap’s narrative, plus I’m sure Katy had her people with her at the interview and some of them are also shared by Kristen. If I go by what Katy says then the break-up is true. I’m really confused. I really thought these two young lovers could make it against all odds.

    • The first thing that needs to happen is to take a look at what is actually said in the Elle interview. There are a lot of different versions being reported as to what was said and what was the question and context of what was said. Let’s start with that first. As we have seen many times before, go to the source, here ELLE UK, and don’t rely on what others claim was said. It hits the newsstands tomorrow.

      • I saw this last night or rather read it on Robsten Dreams. I decided to go see and I saw it on HollywoodLies.(lives) I didn’t give it any more thought. I am sure they have twisted what was said. That’s what they do. This is so nuts!

      • There are scans of the magazine here:

        Sigh. It’s not looking good. I’m worried that this confirms they have broken up. Are they punking us? Why would they do that to their fans who love them?

        Thankfully, we have T57 to look to for a more reasonable analysis of the situation.

      • Quite the contrary, the actual Elle interview doesn’t confirm anything in terms of a breakup. As usual much ado about nothing, just as I suspected.

        And as for why they would punk the media and the fans, one look at yesterday’s paparazzi encounter only illustrates once again why maybe both Rob and Kristen finally reached the breaking point and decided to do something about people intruding into every intimate detail of their personal lives. No one deserves to be subjected to that. I don’t care how much people claim to love them. What they have been forced to endure in the name of being celebrities more than justifies anything they chose to do.

        Sorry, just one person’s opinion.

      • Mary S: I’m not sure how this indicates anything either way about a breakup. Perry says she isn’t dating Pattinson, and that she texted Kristen Stewart to let her know that. That’s it.
        I suppose you could argue that the text would be superfluous if Stewart and Pattinson were regularly in touch. On the other hand, if they had broken up, how would dating Pattinson be “disrespecting” Stewart in any way?
        At most, this leaves everything as unresolved as ever.

  4. Well,here we go again,the merry go round has started again,Kate Perry has apparently announced that she texted Kristen to tell her she was not poaching (she was just comforting ),then we have a puppy who apparently could be Bear dyed black.Good god,no wonder Kristen wants to hide her face from all these jokers around.But if Kate was truly a good friend,i dont think she would be gabbing to the press about them seeing how they are already hounded 24 x 7 by the paps and media.No sirree,sounds to me like someone wants her share of the ROBSTEN cake too.

    • I so agree!!!

    • Unless she is taking part in their plan? I still think they are not the ones behind it all…but time will tell.

    • Who said Katey is a good friend to them? I don’t see either Rob or Kristen associating with her lately.

      Katey is Katey’s friend, first foremost and always. John Mayer may appear in her equation somewhere but it’s a long way after Katey and for that matter her wardrobe.

  5. As for now, Katy Perry comment seems sarcastic to me… I dont belive she would do “tell on them”. And i think Elle will get big peaco of cake from this now…

  6. Ok, this will probably come off as newbie and stupid, but I’m totally all new to this, even as a big fan of Kristen’s. I’ve looked over the post a little, but could someone explain simply:

    Has it now been proven that Kristen never cheated? That she never had sex with or even kissed Rupert? It seems like you have evidence those pictures from last summer were all faked

    • Take your time, you have a lot of reading to do to catch up. But you are on the right track. And welcome to the sight.

  7. I was on twitter today. I’ve just opened a twitter account recently so I’m still new to how it works.
    There was a post of a video of Kristen calling the paps a POS. I thought it would be nice to see her give them a piece of her mind. WRONG! I’m furious! The video is from yesterday she has a puppy with her…I don’t often get emotionally invested in someone I don’t know! This short clip shows a small insight to what she deals with every minute of her day, outside the protection of her house. I don’t know how she is handling all of this crap!
    As far as I can tell about the Katy Perry interview, every site is paraphrasing what they think she may have said. To my knowledge the full interview hasn’t been released.
    It doesn’t matter what is in the interview because every tabloid has just made a bundle off of the partial statement of her interview. The rumor mill is in full force right now.
    You don’t need to click on any of the tabloid sites to see their Headline! I only went to Robsten dreams and the interview was already having the effect someone was hoping it would.
    After viewing that video, I’m even more appreciative that we have peace and sanity on this site!
    Whatever is in Kay Perry’s full interview shouldn’t change our course of action! Now more than ever Kristen needs support from loyal fans that have her back and are willing to stay the course! Justice for Kristen and Paparazzi Change!
    Thank you T57 & Sue!

  8. Okay. I just saw the excerpt from the article on Robsten Dreams. She never used the word breakup at all. I couldn’t open the link to the rest of the article, but I just thought you all would like to know what was there.

  9. When I arrived home from work this evening (July 30, 2013), I did what I normally do…..I logged into Twitter. Often if I wish to catch up with what has gone on for the day, I check a few of the key account holders and read their TL to see what has transpired for the day.

    Wow, is all I can say. I noticed that one account holder is particular was receiving a lot of flack and bashing for something that she shared with people on Twitter. First of all, she did not originally post/introduce a video onto Twitter (Which either has disheartened many fans or was welcomed gleefully, depending which part of the five factions of the fandom one belongs.); and, as she stated, people would have eventually seen the video taken by X17. The vile, disgusting, completely beyond respectful video, which in my opinion far transcends harassment but rather borders on abuse, depicts a young woman, who is known to be uncomfortable and ill at ease in the spotlight obviously having been hunted like prey and eventually trapped beside a commercial dumpster all in the name of “getting the money shot”. Of course the inhuman SOB pap from X17 did not let it go with pictures, he attempted to taunt and goad Kristen into responding to him verbally to make for a more salacious dialog once the a$$wholes at X17 publish this, or better yet once they share this BS with the other lying, malicious maggots that run the “Entertainment” news outlets.

    This video once again provides more evidence as to what the people at the JFK site and similar sites are desperately attempting to enlighten, educate, whatever terminology one wants to use to attempt to demonstrate to the fans why the paparazzi need to be severely curtailed. This behavior which is obviously the norm rather than the exception to “get the money shot”, is the reason that the paps, tabs, many “fan” blog-spots, on-line gossip sites need to be more ardently regulated and legislated.

    However, I am not going to stop with simply insisting that the “Entertainment” news industry needs to be better policed, the Social Media sites such as Twitter, FB, IG, Vine need also to be regulated. I know that in some countries legislature has been proposed to further strengthen invasion of privacy laws, and I also realize that the owners of Twitter have come out stating for the record that they support and enforce their rules and regulations with regard to TOS for people utilizing Twitter. Unfortunately, it does not seem to be enforced as vigorously as it could be. When people are reported for abuses, yes their accounts are often suspended; however, as most people know many account users who consistently are well-known for harassing tweets, bullying, etc. often have several accounts, thereby allowing these people to continue their reign of terror.

    The time has arrived for people (namely the “fans”) to pull their heads out of their a$$es and recognize that their (the fans) insatiable desire to see as many snippets of Robert’s and Kristen’s lives as possible that they themselves are feeding this frenzy. The paps/tabs are more than willing to meet the demand. After all, it is the law of supply and demand. Right? Therefore, in my opinion, instead of attacking a particular Twitter Account holder for pointing fans in the direction of the latest maligning of a celebrity via a video, possibly the fans need to take a step back and recognize their culpability in this whole sordid mess. The fans demands for these intrusive pics and videos, malicious/salacious on-line BS “stories” that are printed at various tab sites, as well as the numerous disrespectful blog-spots that are prolific on the Internet is what fuels this behavior. Yet many fans become rather sanctimonious and condescending to a particular Twitter Account holder and allude to the idea that she is”adding” to the mayhem. The fans are wrong in my opinion. They ask or should I say they demand pictures on an almost daily basis, and then cry foul for a Twitter Account holder attempting to show them that what they demand is being provided; however, the methods used to obtain what they demand leaves a rather soul taste in the fans mouths. The fans cannot have it both ways! I have observed some fans on Twitter making comments suggesting that Kristen should hold her head high and ignore the abuse, when all along this could be avoided if they did not feel the need to insert themselves into her and Robert’s lives.

    Therefore, the next time a fan puts into print a desire to see pictures, think about how most of the pictures available on the Internet are obtained. What methods were used in obtaining the video showing your favorite celebrity. Think before you click, click, click away on the tabs and gossip sites, think before you Google your favorite celebrity. Know that if you demand it, the paps will be more than happy to feed your needs, but consider what amount of privacy the celebrity sacrificed to meet your demands.

    • You hit a sore spot for me! Fans can’t have it both ways. Kristen and Rob were nice enough at Coachella to stop and take picture with fans while they were being chased and hounded by the paps.
      My problem is those fans turn around and post the picture, giving away their location. Some are even offered money for their picture.
      I think Kristen truly cares about most of her fans but the fans need to show respect by not going to her house or seeking her out. Most of all they shouldn’t post their pictures. In my opinion that just violates Kristen and what she is fighting so hard against.
      How many fans have said Kristen asked me not to post this picture? And sure enough that statement is followed by the picture.
      We can’t have it both ways!
      This is one more step that should be considered when we talk about how things need to change…

    • Amen amen amen!

    • BYBY: Excellent post.

    • You’ve said a mouth full of truth.

  10. I don’t think what Katy Perry said was anything new. In fact, I think she’s said it before.

  11. I glad to see so many people share this feeling of love, support, and defense of Kristen. They say a good word or thought, covering a thousand words and evil thoughts.
    Kristen triggered an intense love for her, love of parents, siblings, friends, that is only achieved with loved ones. He has managed to get “breast bear claws” in many women (including me). I declare myself fan of Kristen S, keeping the respect due by Rob P. When walking with your head up, without running away, looking into the eyes, it is because our consciousness is FREE OF GUILT.
    I hope that something big will happen, I have this intuition as a mother and woman, who does not fail. Thank T57, to clarify our doubts. That all the protection of God, that a lot of heavenly light, this about them
    As Katty, I think also wants to take advantage of this. Silence shows greatness in people, especially when it comes to friends. This says a lot about what really is Katty P. Repeat a sentence of a man of 64 years in terms of this matter “Katty, works to Katty”

  12. I have been thinking about this a lot lately. What I am going to say comes from common sense, not emotion. I have wondered, and that includes me, why the fans are so involved in Rob and Kristen’s life? Well, it isn’t that hard to understand. We all fell in love with Bella and Edward in Twilight. The fact that Rob and Kristen also fell for each other was the icing on the cake. We want to see if what they found together while doing Twilight was going to be as epic as what Bella and Edward found. Like it or not these characters became intertwined with Rob and Kristen. A lot of fans want a real ending to the Twilight saga in Rob and Kristen. We have no right to demand that. This is what is causing them to be chased, harassed and photoed 24/7. We are a part of the problem We didn’t mean to be, but it is time we step back and wait for Rob and Kristen to be able to let us know, when they are ready, what is up. We have all been played by our own voyeuristic tendencies. I have learned to go where I know I can trust the stuff that is being tossed around. I’m saner and I don’t stress or obsess about them. IT IS THEIR LIFE! We need to stay here together and not ” think the worst”. Let me play devil’s advocate for a second. If for some reason Rob and Kristen don’t live happily ever after it is not the end of the world. Would you really want them to get married and have kids if they would just wind up divorced? NO! I really think we need to back away and work on the paparazzi reform so all celebs can feel okay to share when they want and when they don’t want to and know that it won’t be twisted into something it isn’t. Now, from my emotional side, I would love to see them together til death do they part. But that is not my call or anyone’s but theirs. Time to put the Twilight Saga behind Rob and Kristen so we can see them as Rob and Kristen. As for Katy Perry, I don’t think she meant them any harm. Maybe, just maybe, this isn’t as big a deal to Rob and Kristen and their friends as it is us when it comes to the “break-up” rumors, etc. Like I said, back off, check on stuff that is negative, but don’t believe it until Rob or Kristen says if any of it is true. Love you all.

  13. This is how I see the Katy situation. Right after the breakup story hit, Rob and Katy go to a public place and just sit there in plain sight. Of course every tabloid made up stories about that innocent, no PDA visit. Just like Robs truck loaded with garbage bags. Just like the Elle article. The tabloids make a big deal out of nothing and put their own spin on it to suck people into their site.
    I think Katy is part of the BIG picture! Rob and Kristen’s good friends have to know what is going on! The past few days is just another example of how the tabloids will twist anything into a huge story to get a rise out of millions of fans. Fans that unfortunately buy into it.
    To me this fits with the big picture of what may be revealed. If Katy wanted to squash rumors of a fling with Rob, don’t you think she would have done it in May? I do!
    This non-story fits perfectly with all of the other false stories. Therefore confirming how corrupt the tabloid industry is! Time will tell! I think it’s part of the “punk” on the tabloids! The writing is on the wall and is right in line with all of the other stories we have discussed! The tabloids are making this very easy! They can’t help themselves because they are motivated by pure greed!

  14. I said once already here, that makes me scare how far papzz will go. And now this happend. What is more stupid and scary: mag report about incident: Kristen insult paparazzo. Nobody say, that it is not normal for group of older mens, to chase around young girl. They push her in the corner and god knows what they were talking to her, that she give tham that responce? And yet… there we have her “rude” responce to paparazzo.. Nothing from mobing, molesting… I know Hollywood is dirty machine, but just becose we let this.
    For all the ladys working on this site: you are awsome! You let people to say or ask what they mean, witheout being rude on them. My comments on HKN (talking cos i saw mentioned here) were all deleted, and i fell into hater rubric, even if i am fan from Rob and Kristen. I see you all are more mature to know the difference between real questions/answers. Keep the good work.

    • They can make movies and we can buy tickets. That’s what it comes to. Fandoms just can’t exist anymore. it’s sad really. All we did was care and somehow we became the true villans in all of this. It’s definitely time to walk away now. We’re not wanted.

  15. I think this thing might be coming to a head! TMZ has photos on their website of R & K having lunch in Los Feliz on Sunday, They ask if the couple is on again? We’re getting close to something I think??

    • bostongurl…. If there are photos of Rob and Kristen having lunch in Los Feliz on Sunday why are they not splashed all over the tabloid news?

      TMZ has had less to say about Rob and Kristen than other tabloids for a while now. If they have an exclusive like this and are not using it.
      what are we to infer from that?

      Has a tabloid finally developed a conscience or is it a case of one more lie. I’d like to believe but I’ve trained my mind not to believe anything a tabloid says good or bad.

      I don’t question your honesty at all. But I do question TMZ’s motives.
      There is no such thing as a reliable tabloid in my opinion; not even the much vaunted Gossip Cop.

    • I think you may be on to something. Aug. 11 is the Teen Choice Awards and Twilight and Rob and Kristen are nominated for a bunch of awards and there was a tweet on Twitter from a Kristen site about the Twilight boxed set announcement to be made on Aug. 13, the date of Bella and Edward’s wedding anniversary. So who knows? Would be the perfect way for them to show up together without having to say a word. Just a thought.

    • Really! What date? Do you have a link?!!

  16. Katy Perry and Kristen have the same publicist, Ruth Bernstein. I’d be surprised if she didn’t know about the things that Katy said.

    Anyone try to write Ruth about this site on twitter? She’s available there.. she should be aware of all the important work done here.

  17. I don’t understand people who are R&K fans and publicly fight for proves that R&K are together. To be frank, I understand their wish for R&K being together and asked for proves lately as well.
    But, then I understood:
    if R&K are really together, they obviously don’t want to be seen together & they don’t want any public confirmation to be announced about it. Otherwise, we will have pics / sightings or announcements.
    If you are fan of R&K, you should respect their wish. Don’t scream they are together. Keep quiet and wait. Time will tell.
    You are right or wrong. Other side is wrong or right.
    But none knows the truth. Yet.

    • Dragana: You’re absolutely right. We don’t know the truth. And no matter what their situation, we should be glad when they aren’t seen, or aren’t seen together, since that is most likely what makes their lives easier.

  18. My question is simple(or maybe not) will these two people ever get to live a normal life together?? Of course maybe they don’t want to, be normal I mean. I believe they love each other. I believe that Kristen is harassed more than anyone deserves to be. It bothers me to see them portrayed in the words the tabs use. I wonder if they are still trying to fight for their love. Now you would think I’m being obsessed but really I just love a good love story. I have never considered Rob and Kristen as Edward and Bella, Edward and Bella are a fictional two dimentional creation. No one would choose to live their life that way. Unlucky for Rob and Kristen through their talent they breathed life into the fictional characters. All this proves is they are really good actors. They have continued to show everyone through their other movies, that indeed they are very talented. The directors and other cast members seem to see the truth but not the Twihards, and some directors and producers are afraid to hire them because they don’t want the stigma of THE “TWILIGHT SAGA” INTERFERING with their project. Now this was very funny coming from the STAR WARS people. There was never anything bigger than STAR WARS and their fans. Well except maybe STAR TREK ( I was a TRECKY) So it did give me a chuckle when that came out in the papers. Twihards continue to get upset because these two people are trying to move forward with their lives. Twilight is over that doesn’t mean we have to stop watching those movies, what it does mean is that we have to let them go, we have to let them move forward so they can give us more great movies. Do you understand what I’m saying Twihards your not losing anything, except the madness. Until all of the crazyness goes away these two people will never be allowed to be happy, and Kristen will keep on getting threats to her life. Is that what we want. It’s not what I want for them. I want all of us to get together and leave them in peace. Don’t keep them afraid to even see each other. We can always get together on twitter and talk about twilight. between ourselves.

  19. Hi T57,, I just had a small epiphany. Rob signed with Dior before the scandal happened. It wasn’t officially announced until much later, maybe on purpose. Dior is the one trying to give Rob this new manwhore image. The scandal worked very much in the Dior campaign’s favor. Could they be behind the scandal all for Rob’s new image all to sell Cologne? At the very least it’s obvious now it’s all been about post twilight images. Miss you:-)

  20. When is Part 14 coming out?

  21. Also, I forgot to comment that on Popsugar #31 it doesn’t even look like Rupert. People believe what they see and just don’t stop and check out the facts. I think that’s why Miley is doing what she’s doing with the twerking and I couldn’t be more proud of her. If Rob and Kristen planned this then more power to them. It’s about time these celebrities start sticking up for themselves and the fans start helping. There needs to be more law and order as far as protecting these celebs like getting rid of 24/7. I am very glad I wasn’t one of the people who believed she cheated. Pics looked fake and setup and she’s too smart to be caught like that unless she wanted to be. Can’t wait for Part 14 🙂 . Are they still together and just not letting anyone in and when can all of this wonderful information be set loose on the public?

  22. Great post.

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